WTF? (What the Fudge?) Deseret News

The Deseret News has been the official organ of the LDS church since its foundation in 1850. (I know it’s strange and antiquated nomenclature. I know it sounds a bit naughty–but’s it is indeed the proper use of the word folks.) That’s barely three years after Brigham Young dragged his sick and tired guts over the pass, sat up and leaned from the back of the wagon and said “This is far enough.” (Yes, that’s what he actually said friends.) It inherited a grand tradition of being the only publication pretty much in the nation to stick up for the Mormons when the whole world was all too eager to slap them down with or without any justification at all. I suppose it still fulfills that mission, and times have not changed all that much for Mormonism, politically and socially speaking. Consequently, like all other historical Mormon tabloids, the Times and Seasons, or Millennial Star for instance, this “news” paper is essentially edited by the LDS Correlation Committee like any Latter-day Saint textbook, teaching manual, or conference talk would be. Even though it strains for “objective” journalism, to be “fair and balanced,” this is functionally impossible given that it is owned and managed directly by the Corporation of the First Presidency.images (1)

When the Deseret News prints an article, particularly online, and then invites its readers to give commentary, like most public presses, its editorial team urges a “civil” exchange of ideas. But at the Deseret News, in a practical sense, what “civil” really means is hard to say. The online robot filter is clearly programmed to reject comments based upon trigger words or phrases, including punctuation marks–in a very mysterious fashion, both intentionally, and as I have seen, arbitrarily. I have repeatedly attempted to post even highly pro-LDS rebuttals to anti-LDS articles the Deseret News has presented, and found them rejected. On the other hand, I’ve had comments I was convinced would never get through immediately approved. And I constantly compare my verbiage with that of those often imbecilic louts who have made it onto the page. I have routinely been rejected for “inflammatory” rhetoric and so forth, and yet found scores of contributors approved to post seething articles of hatred and bitterness laced with the most profoundly aggressive and offensive language and claims against their ideological foes, those damned “Mormons.”

But then, you have to take into account that these “letters to the editor” are being filtered by a Mormon. This is either a virtual Mormon or a human Mormon. Mormons are easily confused and frightened by arguments constructed with logic, clarity, and a good vocabulary. Some day I will test the Deseret News auto-screener by inserting “KKK” or “Nazi” into some otherwise pleasant comment, because I’m willing to bet there is a long litany of individual trigger words that automatically kick out the contribution however correctly or pertinent to the point being made the challenged word may be. The question is, how much of my life do I have left to waste on this fool’s errand?

For instance, you probably couldn’t say, “Yes, this Southern Baptist preacher calls Mormons racist, but his great grandfather owned slaves and his old man was a Grand Wizard in the KKK, and his Christian peers fought a bloody Civil War trying to impose the institution of slavery nationwide by virtue of its boasted Biblical sanction by God.” Even if all this were true, and you had the pictures of the guy in Klan robes hanging some unlucky black hobo from his church’s front gable as the highlight of a Sunday school picnic, that would likely be rejected simply for tone. Or because its not a pleasant reality. Truth and validity of the argument is not the prime indicator to whoever, or whatever is weeding out this “semi-public” access to the official Mormon public journal. The “Truth” may set you free, but not here in our newspaper please. Too much naked honesty is unseemly. Not if anyone might be upset by it. And that’s one more thing that’s wrong with Mormonism. For the past hundred years of so, Mormonism has been attempting to harmonize and spit-polish its wild, radical, roughhewn image, and tone-down the crazy rhetoric. The Modern LDS church wants to mellow out both past and present, the train of  historically heated in-house debates over doctrine, policy, and social direction. However well-meant these tempering movements have been, or in some cases, however these several personally instigated, ignorant attempts at editorial  randomness, what it has done over the generations, and continues to do in an exaggerated fashion, is stifle creativity on a broad basis amongst the membership, actively repel the best and brightest from joining the church in the first place, and utterly frustrate a free exchange of ideas concerning all things Mormon, both in and out of the church.

That’s today’s Mormonism in a nutshell.

http://www.media.utah.edu/UHE/d/DESERETNEWS.html

images (8)It is only fair to note that the Deseret News’ rabid anti-Mormon competitor, the Salt Lake Tribune, who’s masthead touts it to be “Utah’s Independent Voice Since 1871,” has approved every single thing I’ve ever contributed. And by that I mean, for and against the LDS church. Having said this, I must also say that It’s masthead of course, is a huge lie. The “Trib” was founded by embittered, professional Mormon haters who wanted to stick it to Brigham Young any and every way they could. They wanted to evoke a national hatred of the LDS religion, and invite drunkards, freeloaders, filthy capitalists and exploitation artists to come from all corners of the nation, of the world, to fill up the Mormon’s sheltered valley with Gentile customers for the Gentile merchants, tradesmen, and laborers that made up the Trib’s constituency. They wanted to drive the Mormons out, so the Gentiles could do business as usual amongst themselves, without a load of sanctimonious, proprietary Mormon socialists fouling their dreams of a capitalist empire in the desert.

The founders of the Tribune obviously had a case against the Deseret News being the editorial puppet of the LDS church back in the days of Brother Brigham. And the Tribune was clearly the propaganda press for everyone else. But the Tribune has radically mellowed its anti-Mormon stance over the generations, and evolved into a fairly generic journalistic effort serving the entire population of the “Valley.” However, little has changed with the Deseret News in its editorial policies and goals since its introduction. At the Deseret News, today as ever, every jot and tittle is subjected to committee action. At the Tribune, when you submit a comment online, there is almost no wait for moderation, no nagging about going over 200 words. No rejecting my inclusion of links to my blog. It’s type type type, “send” and there it is essentially instantly. Granted, I’m sure there’s an F-bomb filer always engaged and whatnot, but the point is, when constructing a rebuttal or counterpoint, I make the best case in my own words and short of calling somebody a sh**head or something, I know it’s going to be published. The Deseret News on the other hand, though it contains a higher percentage of articles I’d like to comment upon, and by that I mean I would be posting nearly always in favor of the LDS point of view, forces me to guess each and every word, each and every sentence and phrase, actively backseat-driving my work, nagging me over my shoulder. I’m always wondering if this word or that sentence is going to randomly set off some virtual, cyborg-editorial policy, or some “moderator” is going to get snotty an high-handed over it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Salt_Lake_Tribune

Now, most people just crank out some mouthy punch line and that’s that. Those seem to get through fine most of the time even for me. If on the other hand, you care to take the time, thought and energy to refine and then condense into their tiny word limit, something truly insightful, well, what’s the point? Literally half the time at the end of a session I click off an attempt to upload pure genius to the Mormon masses, only to wait sometimes for an hour or more, for the emailed rejectionimages (6) notice, which really gives no sense of what to do to correct the commentary and make it acceptable. After sometimes a half hour or more of comparing my language and style with those comments that did get published, I still have no sense of why mine shouldn’t have been published as well. What a waste of my time and brainpower. So basically, why bother?

And that’s why Mitt Romney is such a crap campaigner. Mormons don’t know how to argue, to connect the logical dots of a related family of concepts and principles, and then construct a meaningful debate with an elegant vocabulary that challenges the mind. What Mormons learn how to do is find out who’s in charge, learn the “right” answer, and then conversation revolves around who can agree with each other the most. You don’t flex much in the way of either polemic, rhetorical, or forensic gray cells in that environment.

You can’t even be sure at the Deseret News if you really are being rejected for editorial reasons, or if it’s just the Mormon attraction to pathetically inadequate software that would have been clunky and disfunctional twenty years ago–because every scrap of technology from the MLS to lds.org seems to be written by half-trained BYU grad-monkeys who’s chief qualification for the job was a current temple recommend and a basic understanding of how to plug in the computer. And you can’t even be sure that Mormon software isn’t really meant to be that un-intuitive because to a geriarchy still suspicious of FM radio it may actually make sense to them for a search engine to not be able to return a single reference in the LDS canon relating to “Jezus” because of a one-letter miss-spell IE:

Did you mean jetsJewsfez’sgenusjeans?
      Sorry, your search returned no results.

I’m just saying, a search engine that can’t guess “Jesus” when given “Jezus” is pretty frigging stupid. But not half as stupid as the team of  little Mormon hacks writing code on the project. And not even fractionally as stupid as the invariably long chain of Mormon supervisors and managers, and the attendant ecclesiastical leadership that never seems to catch out the thousands and thousands of other bugs and inadequacies in the basic design and function of LDS software and website layout. When you close the circle of acceptable input to those inbred and raised in that tiny mountain hideout called “Utah,” you do not get the best and brightest. You get active Mormons who only know what they have been told their whole lives, and can only judge by what they’ve seen around them. That is a universal fault with Mormon leadership and organization. Mormonism puts loyalty and ideology ahead of talent and knowledge or worse yet, ahead of basic intelligence.

Mormonism is frightened by intelligence. Mormonism thus, avoids, dodges, circumvents, or if need be, crushes it whenever it becomes too apparent anywhere in the system, be it embodied in person, place, or thing.

For purposes of illustration, I’m going to give you this link to a recent Deseret News article:

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865552050/Florida-pastor-calls-for-Romney-to-renounce-his-racist-Mormon-religion.html?s_cid=comment-email-a

This is a case-in-point exercise. I’m sure if somebody at the Deseret News gets uptight over it they’ll be screaming about “fair use,” and “intellectual property,” but all the communications law classes I took at BYU suggest my arse is covered on a number of grounds including using their intellectual product for the purposes of criticism, or education. I don’t know however, how educational it will be, because even I don’t know what it is possible to learn from the obtuse and asinine process used by the Deseret News to determine what they consider to be acceptable, publishable, reader commentary and discourse. If for some reason they take that link down or you can’t get there, here’s essentially the complete article. It was so well written when I tried to clip it for brevity I found that every single paragraph was doing a necessary job and to lose anything from it would be an insult to its author. But I did truncate it a bit anyway for legal reasons:

Florida-pastor-calls-for-Romney-to-renounce-his-racist-Mormon-religion

Related: MormonVoices calls for Santorum to disavow pastor

Claiming “the Mormon religion is prejudiced against blacks, Jews and native Americans,” Rev. O’Neal Dozier, a Florida pastor, held a press conference Monday morning to call upon presidential candidate Mitt Romney to renounce what Dozier characterized as “his racist Mormon religion.”

According to Anthony Man of the Sun Sentinel in Fort Lauderdale, Fla., Rev. Dozier said “the purpose of this request is to foster and maintain good race relations here in America,” adding that “the Mormon religion is prejudiced against blacks, Jews and native Americans.”

Officials of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints didn’t offer a specific response to Rev. Dozier’s claims, although Man referenced previous LDS statements on racism, which indicate that “people of all races have always been welcomed and baptized into the church since its beginning” and “the church unequivocally condemns racism, including any and all past racism by individuals both inside and outside the church.”

Man reported “Dozier, who is black, said the purpose of his event, at which he was joined by three other Broward ministers, was to highlight the past racism of the Mormon Church.

“But it’s impossible to separate Dozier from politics,” Man continued. “He’s a Republican Party committeeman and is the honorary Florida chairman for Rick Santorum, who is Romney’s principal opponent for the party’s presidential nomination.”

Among Dozier’s claims is that the Book of Mormon says that God made “the black African people (to be) disgusting, detestable to white people … [and] further degrades black, African people by saying they are uncultured, unattractive, unpleasant, lowlife, wild and unintelligent.”

“This is not true,” said MormonVoices, a website sponsored by the Foundation for Apologetic Information and Research, in an unsigned commentary posted Sunday:

“The Book of Mormon’s most direct teaching on the status of different races in God’s sight is in 2 Nephi 26: 33: “(The Lord) inviteth them all to come unto him and partake of his goodness; and he denieth none that come unto him, black and white, bond and free, male and female; and he remembereth the heathen; and all are alike unto God, both Jew and Gentile.”

Writing for Mediaite about the Dozier press conference, reporter Alex Alvarez said “this will likely prove a difficult battle for Rev. Dozier given that 1) past attempts at getting people to renounce their belief systems have, for the most part, been rather difficult, and 2) the pastor’s own faith and interpretation of scripture have been marked by controversy and allegations of prejudice as well. Those who live in glass houses, as they say, should be careful of casting the first stone. Or something like that, no?”

Dozier was described in a Mother Jones story as a “Bush-connected Islamophobic pastor who says gays ‘make God want to vomit.'” His bio on his church’s website says he is a Vietnam vet who played in the NFL in 1974 and who worked on the campaigns of former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush and President George W. Bush, including making radio ads for the president, and Florida Gov. Charlie Crist.

A New York Magazine story about Dozier’s press conference where he made his remarks said that Santorum touted Dozier’s endorsement of Santorum yesterday.

About the Author

Joseph Walker

Joseph Walker began his professional writing career in 1980 as a staff writer for the Deseret News in Salt Lake City, eventually becoming the newspaper’s television and live theater critic. He left professional journalism for 20 years to work in more …

So, I’m all inspired by this guy’s excellent article, and I scroll down, read some inane comments, and then I’m compelled to put my own two-cents worth into the argument. And that’s exactly how it’s supposed to work—right? Here’s what I tried first:

I think the “black” pastor here has a lot of hutzpah to criticize a church for racism against “Negroes and Jews,” who’s founder, for one thing sent one of his first missionaries, a converted Jew, to the Holy Land (not Utah, the other one…) to dedicate “Palestine” to the gathering of Israel. Joseph Smith was assassinated for among other things, running for US president on an abolitionist ticket, and was murdered by a mob to the urging and applause of this “Christian” pastor’s southern peers of the day, for inviting “free Negroes” into his fold. Joseph Smith personally ordained several “Negroes” in period vernacular, to the priesthood, and died at the hands of the pre-cursors of the KKK, the “Regulator” or “Militia” movement–southern, Jew-hating, “Christian” white-supremists who were afraid of the growing Mormon social and political influence over the mounting issue of slavery. Two-hundred words doesn’t even allow me to touch upon just how ignorant this pastor’s pretensions are regarding LDS doctrines. If I were allowed to add a link I would, because I’ve blogged hundreds of pages dealing with this sort of ignorant prejudice against Mormonism, and I mean that in a dictionary sense.

imagesThat got rejected initially, because it was over 200 words, so what you see here is the second draft, minus only about ten words, ten very excellent words that added a lot, but it came in at 195 words in this form, and clearly should have passed that filter requirement. This was not cut and pasted, it was composed in real time in the little dialogue box on their own web site so there could have been no formatting problems. So I read it and read it, and tried to figure out what was triggering the filter—keeping in mind that the whole point was about the KKK and slavery, and the rebuttal would be pointless if I was not going to be allowed to talk about the KKK or the Christians who founded it. After another try or two, this is what came back:

Dear LeRoy Whitney,

Thank you for commenting on Florida pastor calls for Romney to ‘renounce his racist Mormon religion’ on DeseretNews.com.

Unfortunately, your comment was not approved for one of the following reasons:

* Comment was off topic or disruptive.
* Comment included obscenities or vulgarities.
* Comment included name-calling, epithets, racial slurs or other derogatory statements.
* Comment included personal attacks.
* Comment included advertising or other promotion.
* Comment included copyright infringement or plagiarism.
* Comment included web links, excessive ALL-CAPS or punctuation, excessive length or violated other formatting rules.
* Comment included personal information.

We would invite you to edit and resubmit your comment using the following guidelines:

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* Avoid personal attacks and other inappropriate responses to fellow readers.
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If you would like to revise the following comment to comply with DeseretNews.com policy you may resubmit it by logging in and commenting directly from the story again.

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I think the “black” pastor here has a lot of hutzpah to criticize a church for racism against “Negroes and Jews,” who’s founder, for one thing sent one of his first missionaries, a converted Jew, to the Holy Land (not Utah, the other one…) to dedicate “Palestine” to the gathering of Israel. Joseph Smith was assassinated for among other things, running for US president on an abolitionist ticket, and was murdered by a mob to the urging and applause of this “Christian” pastor’s southern peers of the day, for inviting “free Negroes” into his fold.

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Regards,
Deseret News Editorial Team

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You can see from the quote they returned that I’d already pared down my enthusiasm quite a bit, but the above version only made the Deseret News’ autobot madder at me. My comment was indeed on topic, it was not inflammatory, it was not obscene, or vulgar, did not employ racial or other epithets, it was not riddled with quotations, even though I used quotation marks, any one of which the jackass computer probably challenges as possible plagiarism or copyright violation because it is as stupid as its Mormon programmers and site managers. People who steal copy don’t put it in quotes. Morons.

This matter had by now become a point of honor. So I persisted in attempting to thwart whatever human or droid agent was acting against me at the Deseret News:

images (5)Dear LeRoy Whitney,

Thank you for commenting on Florida pastor calls for Romney to ‘renounce his racist Mormon religion’ on DeseretNews.com.

Unfortunately, your comment was not approved for the following reason:

* Comment included web links, excessive ALL-CAPS or punctuation, excessive length or violated other formatting rules.

We would invite you to edit and resubmit your comment using the following guidelines:

* Comments should be thoughtful and helpful to your fellow readers with additional insight or counterpoints to the article.
* Avoid personal attacks and other inappropriate responses to fellow readers.
* Treat other readers as you would if you were speaking to them from a microphone, looking them in the eyes, then passing the microphone cordially to the next contributor.

If you would like to revise the following comment to comply with DeseretNews.com policy you may resubmit it by logging in and commenting directly from the story again.

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I think the pastor has a lot of hutzpah to criticize a church for racism against “Negroes and Jews,” who’s founder, for one thing sent one of his first missionaries, a converted Jew, to the Holy Land to dedicate “Palestine” to the gathering of Israel. Joseph Smith was assassinated for among other things, running for US president on an abolitionist ticket, and was murdered by a mob instigated by an organized movement by southern, “Christian” pastors for inviting “free Negroes” into his fold, a proposition they claimed would weaken and corrupt the institution of slavery, which they held to be a proper American practice that was Biblically ordained.

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I can’t tell you why the Deseret News emails turned all my quotation marks into these characters: [ ] when displayed in Windows Mail or Windows Live Writer.  What you see there at the end of the last sentence displays as a quotation mark, not the string of goofy, random characters I typed in. Obviously, if I type in those random characters, something like #@$^&*, and post them into this blog they display as quotation marks, so I can’t actually show you the exact characters I mean. But my point is that one problem has to do with those characters and the use of quotation marks.

In fairness, before this game is over I’ll try deleting all quotation marks in that submission, and see if that gets through. In fact, I’ll do that right now. In the meantime, here’s another troubled submission I tried to make on a related topic, again, in real time, typing directly into the Deseret News’ contributor’s box. I’ve just submitted this commentary to that other thread again, removing the quotation marks over “Christendom”:

Dear LeRoy Whitney,

Thank you for commenting on It’s unjust to say LDS Church is anti-Semitic on DeseretNews.com.

Unfortunately, your comment was not approved for one of the following reasons:

* Comment was off topic or disruptive.
* Comment included obscenities or vulgarities.
* Comment included name-calling, epithets, racial slurs or other derogatory statements.
* Comment included personal attacks.
* Comment included advertising or other promotion.
* Comment included copyright infringement or plagiarism.
* Comment included web links, excessive ALL-CAPS or punctuation, excessive length or violated other formatting rules.
* Comment included personal information.

images (4)We would invite you to edit and resubmit your comment using the following guidelines:

* Comments should be thoughtful and helpful to your fellow readers with additional insight or counterpoints to the article.
* Avoid personal attacks and other inappropriate responses to fellow readers.
* Treat other readers as you would if you were speaking to them from a microphone, looking them in the eyes, then passing the microphone cordially to the next contributor.

If you would like to revise the following comment to comply with DeseretNews.com policy you may resubmit it by logging in and commenting directly from the story again.

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The Bible is far more anti-Semitic than the Book of Mormon. And the source of this criticism is directly form the greatest prophets of “Christendom” and the Jewish tradition alike. The difference is, Mormonism never in its history called the Jews anything other than God’s chosen people, however they messed it up, and has always maintained that the covenants the House of Israel made with God are still intact and will be fulfilled in the Latter Days. Baptism for the dead has to be understood as an act of leaving a set of tickets in the box office for the departed. If they want to come in and see the show all they have to do is pick them up on their way in. If not, well, no harm or insult is either intended or possible in this arrangement. Worst case: Mormons are idiots who eventually will see that their good intentions were misplaced, and their energy was wasted for nothing, and they’re the ones left out of the production in the end. If that’s insulting, whatever should we say about the harsh words of Calvin and Luther and the various Eastern and Roman Christian leaders through the ages?

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You can see that the above comment triggered a far more lengthy list of reasons for rejection, again, none of which seemed to relate to anything I wrote. I could for instance, remove the word “idiot,” because that may be a trigger. But I don’t know that. It could be that the editorial fool engaged to make the decision, human or artificial, thinks I’m calling Mormons “idiots.” But I don’t know that. I’d have to try removing that allusion, which is actually a pro-Mormon statement, a left-handed complement, but it’s obvious at this point that what this inane filter system does–a system you can’t simply avoid by phoning or PM’ing or emailing the “moderator” and asking what you’d have to drop to avoid triggering rejection—is discourage anyone with a brain and the motivation to share it from bothering themselves with the Deseret News. You are then left, as in Mormonism itself, with a lot of people with no brains who want to share what they have to offer anyway. And they are eagerly urged and allowed to do so by the equally brainless Deseret News moderator.

And now brothers and sisters, I am electronically interrupted by some fresh and curious new information coming into my email box. I should withhold it dramatically for a big close to this spiel, but I’m going to reveal something that probably makes this whole effort moot, and makes me look a bit foolish to the techno-geeks out there, but my goal here is honesty. Here’s what I just got back in my email from the Deseret News:

Dear LeRoy Whitney,

Thank you for commenting on It’s unjust to say LDS Church is anti-Semitic on DeseretNews.com.

This message is to inform you that your comment on It’s unjust to say LDS Church is anti-Semitic was approved. Thank you for your participation in keeping our dialogue civil and enlightening. We hope you’ll continue to engage in the online conversations on DeseretNews.com and look forward to seeing more from you in the future.

Regards,
Deseret News Editorial Team

Well well well… What then, you now ask, did I change to get my comment through? As I said, I took “Christendom” out of quotations and not a thing else. It’s there on the Deseret News site exactly as printed above, complete now I see, with the typo “form” instead of “from.” Here’s the link:

http://www.deseretnews.com/user/comments/765559692/Its-unjust-to-say-LDS-Church-is-anti-Semitic.html

This development only confuses me more, and now that I made it past the filters, the Deseret News still pissesimages (7) me off, because the Deseret News doesn’t allow you to edit comments. I can’t fix that damned typo and now I’ve called everyone’s attention to it so I’m going to be the persecuted subject of spellcheck Nazis everywhere for as long as the web holds up and the Deseret News manages to keep their article online.

Oh well. Foiled again. But, back to Mormons hating Jews and Negroes… Here’s about the fourth try I had at getting into the commentary about the Florida pastor and his call for Mormon racial repentance:

Joseph Smith for one thing sent one of his first missionaries, a converted Jew, to the Holy Land to dedicate “Palestine” to the gathering of Israel. Joseph Smith was later assassinated for among other things, running for US president on an abolitionist ticket, and for inviting “free Negroes” into his fold, a proposition his local Christian pastors claimed would weaken and corrupt the institution of slavery, which they held to be a proper American practice that was Biblically ordained.

I defy anyone to rationally explain why that should be rejected, even by the nebulous and silly criteria cranked out by the Deseret News robot responder system. You could say I was critical of Christians or Christian pastors, but frankly, it was the early LDS era pro-slave local Christian pastors who produced this albeit black, modern-day anti-Mormon whiner. They’ve been out there for generations, openly killing Mormons, Indians, Negroes and claiming it was their right to do so out of the Bible. They’ve just historically been beaten away from the slave argument is all. I thought I was being rather diplomatic about it. But I don’t have to guess here folks. I don’t have to blindly assume I’m being cheated out of my God-given right to input my wisdom into the Deseret News. Here, have a read of these following charmers. All these bone-heads made the cut and said far more inflammatory and far less intelligent or informative things, a few of which I’ve highlighted so you don’t miss them:

Andermart
Pullman, WA
Oh my word. Get a clue. Sounds like some congregations need to denounce their pastors. Why can’t these men do a little research before they make such remarks. Please.

12:31 a.m. March 13, 2012Like (29)

JM
Lehi, UT
As a Christian I try not to judge others. …The United Nations has determined that the racism of mainstream Christianity led to the enslavement and genocide of maybe a hundred million people. And, anti-Semitism was much more a mainstream Christian and Muslim thing, than LDS….

1:58 a.m. March 13, 2012Like (18)

Moontan
Roanoke, VA
I truly get embarrassed for people who pontificate on subjects about which they know nothing. If one absolutely must criticize the Church, one should at least come up with something new. With allegations of racism, they are not only kicking a dead horse, but they’re spreading the ashes of its decayed bones. Read Church material or visit a ward meeting; that should dispel any myth about racism. The pastor says we discriminate against black people, Jews and native Americans. He forgot to mention women and, probably, left-handed people like me. Any self-respecting critic would have included those.

7:02 a.m. March 13, 2012Like (11)

raybies
Layton, UT
So this guy’s not only a pastor of a church that clearly would benefit by giving Mormons a smack-down, he’s also a republican leader representing Santorum… Can’t imagine why he’d want to make ridiculous inflammatory remarks about Mormons and Mitt.

13, 2012Like (7)

Max
Charlotte, NC
How conveniently he forgets that those good ole southern Christians used to enslave blacks and even murder them. That sounds far more racist to me than anything the LDS have done. This guy is about as uninformed as they come and is an embarrassment to the Santorum campaign. I would think that Santorum would back away from him immediately.

7:24 a.m. March 13, 2012Like (28)

coleman51
Orem, UT
I think that we only need to look at racism among Southern evangelicals in our history to see how disingenuous these remarks really are. Perhaps the good pastor should look at his own church before he spouts these over-the-top epithets toward the Mormon Church. We certainly did not participate in the gross injustices during the Jim Crow era nor did we don white robes and burn crosses.

8:08 a.m. March 13, 2012Like (6)

DonO
Draper, UT
It’s all a matter of market share for these mega-churches. You won’t find any of these so-called Christian preachers having anything good to say about the Mormons because of LDS proselytizing efforts. Mormons take members from the churches and dollars from the collection plates.

8:24 a.m. March 13, 2012Like (7)

BYU Papa
Cedar Hills, ut
I think that Santorum and Doziar are just trying to do President Obama’s job for him. Are they secretly really Democrats. Their ridiculously stupid comments which they know are not true just serve the weaken the Republican Cause.

8:30 a.m. March 13, 2012Like (12)

Serenity
Manti, UT
This minister is fueled by high emotions based on inaccurate and contrived information. This ranting is a pro-Santorum, anti-Romney soliloquy and nothing else. He wants to sway the populous, especially the ignorant, toward his candidate and away from Romney. There are those who believe everything which comes forth from the mouths of their lying ministers without ever questioning or doing research on anything they say.

8:37 a.m. March 13, 2012

Make of that what you will.

images (10)And finally, I leave you with a mystery. My penultimate attempt at commenting about Romney’s racist religion was basically my original try, with all the quotation marks  deleted, but without the apostrophes removed. Since both of those seem to garble into random code symbols that may be interpreted by the censorbot as figurative cursing–!!@@##$%^!!!!, I should probably try it again without the apostrophes. But I have no more will to live at this point. I have just completed that attempt and received another rejection. It was the exact same text. Though both were rejected, if you look at the previous attempt above, and compare the list of offenses the Deseret News found in that, you’ll see that here, by virtue of simply taking the quotation marks out of the piece, they dropped nearly all of their objections.

Yes, quotation marks have something to do with the AU involved here. (Artificial Unintelligence) What we also see, however, is that it’s not just the apostrophes and quotes. And ironically we see, that reverting to the most contentious version I tried, provided me with the mildest criticism from the Deseret Newsbot. This essentially unedited version, he/she/it concluded, was only off-topic (still a lie) and/or disruptive—the latter being highly subjective in light of the scores of far more inflammatory comments he/she/it allowed into the thread:

Dear LeRoy Whitney,

Thank you for commenting on Florida pastor calls for Romney to ‘renounce his racist Mormon religion’ on DeseretNews.com.

Unfortunately, your comment was not approved for the following reason:

* Comment was off topic or disruptive.

We would invite you to edit and resubmit your comment using the following guidelines:

* Comments should be thoughtful and helpful to your fellow readers with additional insight or counterpoints to the article.
* Avoid personal attacks and other inappropriate responses to fellow readers.
* Treat other readers as you would if you were speaking to them from a microphone, looking them in the eyes, then passing the microphone cordially to the next contributor.

If you would like to revise the following comment to comply with DeseretNews.com policy you may resubmit it by logging in and commenting directly from the story again.

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I think the black pastor here has a lot of hutzpah to criticize a church for racism against Negroes and Jews, who’s founder, for one thing sent one of his first missionaries, a converted Jew, to the Holy Land (not Utah, the other one…) to dedicate Palestine to the gathering of Israel. Joseph Smith was assassinated for among other things, running for US president on an abolitionist ticket, and was murdered by a mob to the urging and applause of this Christian pastor’s southern peers of the day, for inviting free Negroes into his fold. Joseph Smith personally ordained several Negroes, in period vernacular, to the priesthood, and died at the hands of the pre-cursors of the KKK, the Regulator or Militia movement–southern, Jew-hating, Christian white-supremists who were afraid of the growing Mormon social and political influence over the mounting issue of slavery. Two-hundred words doesn’t even allow me to touch upon just how ignorant this pastor’s pretensions are regarding LDS doctrines. If I were allowed to add a link I would, because I’ve blogged hundreds of pages dealing with this sort of ignorant prejudice against Mormonism, and I mean that in a dictionary sense.

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Like many other things in Mormonism, I will quietly sit here and patiently take it from this Divinely inspiredeeeSDFA institution, and pray the Brethren get it figured out for me some day. It has been fecked up for a decade and more, and it will no doubt continue to be fecked up for another decade and more. The Deseret News comment censor will continue to piss off earnest investigators and critics and faithful Mormons alike until sometime in the distant eternity (like the issue of the Negro and the priesthood) some aged ecclesiastical functionary born and raised in the computer generations has been called to enough positions in the church to make his way to the upper floors of  Church Headquarters, and points out to his fellow “Brethren” just how embarrassing the Deseret News filterbot, and all other LDS software and web interfaces really are. By then of course, the Lord’s chosen computer hero’s technological skills and sensibilities will unfortunately have fallen twenty or thirty years into obsolescence just like his predecessors.

Meanwhile, thousands like me are being shunned by the Deseret News for no particular reason. The fictional “Editorial Team” obviously don’t even know, want to know, or care. They may have actually designed a random commentary rejecter system on purpose. It just randomly finds an excuse to filter heartfelt, passionate insight, slaved into print by a readership that really cares about the article they wish to address. Why? Letters to the Editor are a nuisance. Reason enough. They take up space and bandwidth leaving no room for ads. Randomly rejecting a certain number of them would only be “fair.”

And yes, in my final attempt, I did discover how to get my comment printed in the Deseret News. Oh yes, I achieved victory. It was a victory I new I would eventually come to from the very start. But it was only a victory…of a sort:

Dear LeRoy Whitney,

Thank you for commenting on Florida pastor calls for Romney to ‘renounce his racist Mormon religion’ on DeseretNews.com.

This message is to inform you that your comment on Florida pastor calls for Romney to ‘renounce his racist Mormon religion’ was approved. Thank you for your participation in keeping our dialogue civil and enlightening. We hope you’ll continue to engage in the online conversations on DeseretNews.com and look forward to seeing more from you in the future.

Regards,
Deseret News Editorial Team

And so I made it into print at the Deseret News. There was an editorial price to pay however:

LR Whitney
MINNEAPOLIS MINNESOTA

I think this pastor has his wires crossed. Mormonism has never been racist. Why can’t we all get along?

10:13 p.m. March 16, 2012

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About lrwhitney

American Saint but not Utah product.
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2 Responses to WTF? (What the Fudge?) Deseret News

  1. Fred Grant says:

    lds is false church about sex money and lyes all morman prophets we sex prediters rape artist and child molesters

  2. lrwhitney says:

    I know this is apparently demented and at a minimum mindless rambling, but I’ve made a committment to post every possible response to my own ramblings in fairness–if for no other reason than to illuminate the masses about just what Mormonism has been up against for the last couple of hundred years. How do you even respond to this sort of inane and paranoid nonsense? I’d love to deal with specifics in these charges, but the fact is this attack seems to have Mormons mixed up with the Roman Catholics, because in all fairness, these are the sorts of charges often and continually being made and indeed proven against the priesthood of that church, not the Latter-day Saints. That’s not a shot at the Roman Catholics, just the facts. Mormon scandals tend to remain in the “My bishop screwed me out of a land deal and I lost my house,” or “My stake president got me hooked into Amway for 20,000 bucks and I can’t get this crap out of my garage,” sorts or misdemeanors. And when these sorts of incidents occur, more often than not the offending Mormon authority is relieved of any clerical duties he might have had for the duration of his membership–assuming he is allowed to remain on the church rolls at all.

    I welcome more specific criticism along these lines if it can be done in a less inane fashion.

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